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Zac Schultz on the 2023 Wisconsin Supreme Court Election
Clip: Season 2100 Episode 2133 | 7m 14sVideo has Closed Captions
Zac Schultz on the state Supreme Court primary with Daniel Kelly and Janet Protasiewicz.
PBS Wisconsin senior political reporter Zac Schultz discusses the primary vote for Daniel Kelly and Janet Protasiewicz in what is expected to be a high-stakes, expensive race for state Supreme Court.
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Zac Schultz on the 2023 Wisconsin Supreme Court Election
Clip: Season 2100 Episode 2133 | 7m 14sVideo has Closed Captions
PBS Wisconsin senior political reporter Zac Schultz discusses the primary vote for Daniel Kelly and Janet Protasiewicz in what is expected to be a high-stakes, expensive race for state Supreme Court.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship>> Frederica: FOLLOWING TUESDAY'S PRIMARY ELECTION, TWO CANDIDATES FOR THE WISCONSIN SUPREME COURT HEAD INTO CAMPAIGNING FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION SET FOR APRIL 4.
MILWAUKEE COUNTY CIRCUIT JUDGE WON 45% AND DANNY KELLY GARNERED 24.2%.
THEY EACH SPOKE AT THE ELECTION NIGHT PARTIES FOCUSSING ON THE TOPICS AND LIKELY TO COME BEFORE THE COURT, ABORTION.
>> I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW I'LL RULE IN ANY CASE BUT THROUGHOUT THIS CASE I HAVE BEEN ABSOLUTELY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT MY VALUES ARE.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE VOTERS OF THIS STATE DESERVE TO KNOW WHAT A CANDIDATE'S VALUES ARE.
I VALUE A WOMAN'S FREEDOM TO MAKE HER OWN REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE DECISIONS.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE AN ELECTION LIKE NO OTHER.
TONIGHT WE JOIN THE FIGHT TO PRESERVE OUR CONSTITUTIONAT FORMS OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST A NOVEL AND GRAVE THREAT.
THE PROMISE TO SET ASIDE OUR LAW AND OUR CONSTITUTION WHETHER THEY CONFLICT WITH HER PERSONAL VALUES CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO STAND.
>> Frederica: THY THE HIGH STAKE RACE GETS MORE ATTENTION FROM HERE.
WE TURN TO SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER ZAC SCHULTZ WHO JOINS US FROM THE STATE CAPITOL WITH MORE.
WAS THIS THE PRIMARY ELECTION OUTCOME EXPECTED?
>> I DON'T THINK YOU CAN BE TOO SURPRISED.
CERTAINLY NOT ON THE LIBERAL SIDE.
JANET HAD THE MOST MONEY AND FIRST COMMERCIAL AND CONSOLIDATED A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC SUPPORT AROUND HER CAMPAIGN EARLY ON.
THE OTHER LIBERAL JUDGE EVERETT MITCHELL TRIED HARD TO GET SUPPORT AND HAD A FEW PEOPLE BUT NEVER HAD THE MONEY TO GET HIS NAME OUT THERE.
SEEING JANET ADVANCE IS NOT SURPRISING.
MAYBE THE MARGINS FOR SOME MAY HAVE BEEN SURPRISING.
ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE WE KNEW IT WOULD BE A CLOSE MARGIN.
AND IT GOES AGAINST YOUR CONVENTIONAL THINKING BUT THE OUTCOME MAY FIT THOUGH JENNIFER DOROW MAY HAVE BEEN PREFERRED AHEAD OF TIME AND WE SAW OUTSIDE INTEREST GROUPS AND OTHERS TRY TO TAKE HER DOWN AND GETTING THE SAME RESULT OF ADVANCING DANIEL KELLY BECAUSE HE WANTED TO WIN.
ON THE LIBERALS' PART BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT HE WOULD BE A BETTER MATCH-UP IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.
THIS OUTCOME IS NOT TERRIBLY SURPRISING AND THE MARGIN IS SO NARROW IT CAME DOWN TO THE END.
>> Frederica: TUESDAY'S ELECTION SAW RECORD TURNOUT FOR SUPREME COURT PRIMARY.
WHAT DID IT LOOK LIKE ACROSS THE STATE?
>> IT VARIED ACROSS THE REGIONS.
IN SOME PARTS OF THE SOUTHERN MORE POPULOUS AREAS THERE WAS HIGH TURNOUT IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER LOWER TURNOUT AND SOME FITS WITH THE THINK HOW THE CAMPAIGNS WORK.
WE'RE TALKING FEBRUARY 21, MIDDLE OF WINTER.
GENERALLY THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ATTENTION PAID AND IT'S DRIVEN BY ADVERTISING.
HOW MUCH DID PEOPLE EVEN KNOW THAT ONE, THERE WAS AN ELECTION, AND TWO, IT WAS THIS IMPORTANT.
IT'S HARDER TO PENETRATE NORTHERN WISCONSIN WITH ADVERTISING DOLL THE WAY YOU CAN BLANKET SOUTHEAST WISCONSIN AND OTHER COUNTIES.
AND IN MADISON YOU HAD A CONTESTED MAYORAL PRIMARY.
N NORTHERN MILWAUKEE YOU HAD A CONTESTED PRIMARY REPUBLICAN SIDE FOR A SPECIAL ELECTION IN A SENATE DISTRICT.
ALL THOSE THINGS ARE DROVE TURNOUT IN MORE POPULOUS REGIONS.
>> Frederica: DID ANYTHING STAND OUT IN PARTISAN VOTING PATTERNS?
>> THERE'S A SPLIT ACROSS THE STATE IN REPUBLICAN VOTING TRENDS.
WE'VE SEEN THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN OVER THE PAST 10 TO 15 YEARS WHERE SOUTHEASTERN WISCONSIN ESPECIALLY WHERE SOUTHEAST WISCONSIN TALK RADIO DOMINATES HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION WHO NAY THEY FAVOR IN A PRIMARY VERSUS OUTSIDE RURAL WISCONSIN AND USED TO BE SOUTHEAST WISCONSIN WAS ENOUGH TO DOMINATE.
THAT'S HOW SCOTT WALKER WON TO BECOME THE GOVERNOR AND HOW REBECCA CLAYFISH BECAME GOVERNOR AND IT'S SHIFTED AND BEEN PLAYING OUT MORE AND MORE THE REST OF THE STATE, OUTSTATED RURAL WISCONSIN FOR REPUBLICANS CAN OUTNUMBER SOUTHEASTERN WISCONSIN.
WE SAW JENNIFER DOROW'S AREA OF SUPPORT WAS STRONG BUT WAS BEAT HANDILY IN THE REST OF THE STATE AND WON BY A COUPLE PERCENTAGE POINTS.
>> Frederica: FORMER JUSTICE LOST HIS LOST ELECTION FOR SUPREME COURT.
IS HE VULNERABLE HERE?
>> DEMOCRATS CERTAINLY THINK SO.
THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE.
BUT IN REALITY WE'VE SEEN LOTS OF CANDIDATES HISTORICALLY ACROSS WISCONSIN RUN AFTER LOSING AN ELECTION AND TRY AGAIN.
THE MESSAGE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT WIN THE SECOND TIME IS NOT THAT THEY LOST AN ELECTION BUT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEIR VULNERABILITIES ARE BECAUSE THEY POLLED AGAINST HIM IN THE PAST.
IN THIS CASE DANIEL KELLY WILL SAY HE LOST BECAUSE BERNIE SANDERS AND JOE BIDEN HAD A CONTESTED PRIMARY AND DONALD TRUMP WASN'T CONTEST AND SAYS HATS THE MAJORITY OF THE MARGIN.
THIS IS A DIFFERENT RATE.
WE SHOULDN'T LOOK AT THAT AS THE ROAD MAP BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES.
>> Frederica: IS THERE THE SAME INFIGHTING IN THE PARTY BETWEEN DOROW AND KELLY?
>> THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN AND SOMETHING REPUBLICANS ARE WATCHING AND DEMOCRATS WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IF THEY CAN.
WE SAW A SIMILAR THING PLAY OUT LONG THE SAME LINES LAST SUMMER WHEN TIM MICHAELS WON THE GUBERNATORIAL PRIMARY AND ATTACKING CLAYFISH HEAVILY AND SHE AND HER SUPPORTERS WEREN'T HAPPY AND THERE WASN'T THE UNIFYING MOMENT THAT CAME AFTERWARDS.
THIS TIME WE SAW DANIEL KELLY SAYING HE WOULD NOT SUPPORT JENNIFER DOROW IF SHE WAS THE ONE TO ADVANCE.
HE REFUSED TO ENDORSE HER AND DOROW SAID SHE WOULD ENDORSE KELLY AND SAID REPUBLICANS NEED TO UNIFY BUT THERE ARE SOME SUPPORTERS STILL MIFFED THAT KELLY WOULDN'T SUPPORT THEIR PERSON GOING FORWARD WHETHER THAT FRACTURE MAINTAINS AND EXISTS OR IF REPUBLICAN PARTIES WANT TO MAINTAIN THE APRIL 4 PRIMARY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN FRACTURES THAT EXISTED BEFORE AND SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF GOING FORWARD.
>> Frederica: SPENDING IN THIS RACE IS EXPECTED TO BE STRATOSPHERIC.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROJECTIONS ARE AND WHO'S GIVING?
>> WE'RE LOOKING AT LEAST $20 MILLION TO $40 MILLION AND A LOT OF OUT STATE AND SPECIAL
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